Episode Transcript
[00:00:05] Speaker A: This is the, this is the gateway drug of magic.
[00:00:09] Speaker B: Perfect for me because, you know, I think that we should, all of us, I mean magician, we should be beginners because when we start thinking that we are professionals, that is where we begin to suck.
[00:00:23] Speaker A: Welcome to the Magicians Workshop, the magic podcast for everyone. Amateur, pro or just magic curious. I'm your host, Dr. Todd and we have a super special guest today. Alexandre Duvivier is an award winning French magician, teacher and trailblazer in the world of magic. The daughter of the legendary magician Dominique du Vivier. Sorry, my, my words are terrible. She's carved out her own powerful identity, winning the prestigious Mandrake door, becoming the first French woman to fool Penn and Teller, and performing for world class brands and audiences around the globe. She's also a hand double in film, which is one of my favorite things I've learned about you. You co run Les Double Fonds and France's oldest magic venue and helps lead Double Fond formation, the country's first government recognized diploma program in magic. Alexandra continues to inspire, innovate and elevate magic as both an art and a discipline. And we are very lucky to get her to talk with her coming all the way from France. Welcome to the show Alexandre du Vivier.
[00:01:21] Speaker B: Wow, thank you.
Thank you so much. What an intro.
[00:01:25] Speaker A: I know. And again thanks to Ben Barnes for putting us. How do you know Ben Barnes?
Well, you guys all know everybody, but.
[00:01:34] Speaker B: I know Ben because he, he kindly invited me to the Magic Lounge a few years ago now and we stayed in contact and we just, we're a very good friends.
[00:01:46] Speaker A: Perfect. Well, we're, we're start at the beginning.
What's your first memory of magic? Take me through it.
[00:01:52] Speaker B: Okay, so my first memory of magic is that I went to fism. What is a fism? It's a convention held every three years, which is kind of the international, you know, Olympics of magic that is held in different cities in the world.
And that year in 1988, it was held in Holland in Den Haag.
My dad was booked for this convention by Richard Ross. Richard Ross, who is a FISM winner, A huge magician in our craft, a huge personality. So nice, so creative.
And he booked my dad. My dad is doing his thing in front of 700 people, tier seat like that. And after his last trick, the climax as we say in our field, he produced the fourth cup because the whole routine is done with only three. And to the surprise of everybody, fourth one appeared and everybody stood.
And I was blown away by that because you see, I just realized that magic can.
Can give you so much emotion like that. So I was blown away. And the second thing that really convinced me to begin doing magic, even if I knew my dad was a magician for a long time, because I saw my dad all my life practicing, inventing, creating magic, is to see Lisa Mena, magician, American, who happens to be a lady in magic, which is. In those days, 2% of women were in this field.
Now it's more 4, 5%. So it's evolving slowly but for sure.
So that's very cool.
But still, at that time, the only woman I saw was Tina Lenard. And you. If you don't know Tina Lenard act, you should see her act with the com.
It's the broom. It's. She's on stage and she has a broom making her the broom alive.
It's pure magic. It's her.
[00:04:02] Speaker A: Wait, I. Okay, I think I saw that act in a Nickelodeon special, a Halloween special with Lance Burton.
I'm pretty sure that was her. So that's one of. Believe it or not. That's one of my first memories of magic. That's one of my seeing her do where she. She. The hand. She does the hand and she has like this like. Oh my God, that was so amazing.
[00:04:26] Speaker B: And she was honestly the name of.
[00:04:29] Speaker A: Was with Mark Summers.
[00:04:31] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. But the.
It's combines mime and magic, but it has a name. It's the comp or that Mop man act.
And that's pure magic. It's amazing.
It's a dream. So Mop man and Lisa Mena. Lisa Mena, she is a lady. She's still, you know, active. She has now a very, very powerful and deep and needed task. She has caused to wonder. She's go. She goes to Africa and African countries like that and said that you have to treat women good and not kill them or just do.
[00:05:17] Speaker A: Yeah, the mutilation.
[00:05:19] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. Thank you.
So she is more than needed, you know. So back in 1988, I saw her and she was not the assistant of anybody. She was herself on stage doing close up. She was doing quick change in close up situation. That was unique. I've never seen that. She was doing, you know, a card selected, found in her high heel, stuck in the high heel. So very feminine. But without saying, you know, I'm a woman.
So I was blown away by that. So those two things combined just convinced me when I was 15 years old to do. To say to myself, I'm going to do that.
[00:06:03] Speaker A: That's amazing.
[00:06:05] Speaker B: So thanks to a convention, in a way because you know, my dad, I saw him all the time doing magic, but I was not, you know, what I perceive as a child is that he was working, but you know, he was working, but he was having fun creating. Always all these cards and all these, I'm saying watching here because I have the same bunch of things around my desk.
So I just saw, I just felt that you can work and having a passion and having fun while working and not being, going, you know, to do the same stuff all over again every day. So I think that really build my nature character. I don't know how you, you said that, but still has really like, you know when you take a, a tea bag and you infuse it in the water.
[00:07:00] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:01] Speaker B: It melts and it's just, it's part of me. And in 1988, I just said to my dad, okay, I want to do magic and just show me tricks. Before that I keep, I kept asking him, please show me a trick. But he never showed me a trick because he didn't want me to. Just, he was doing, he couldn't stand, you know, if I was just doing magic as a hobby. He cares so much about magic.
He thinks that magic is the highest piece of art.
So he wouldn't have stand that if I was just doing one year magic and after quit and do something else.
[00:07:39] Speaker A: That makes sense. Yeah.
[00:07:40] Speaker B: And after we worked together and we worked as a duo and we, we do, we did shows together as a duo. We have four different shows, one hour and a half different. And we worked as a duo for. Until now.
Let me show you. I have a picture somewhere.
[00:07:57] Speaker A: Yes. Oh, wow. I love that.
[00:08:00] Speaker B: That's the theater he has created in 1988. And that's my daddy over here. And that's me.
[00:08:05] Speaker A: Oh, that's amazing. I, I, I can appreciate that because my dad was also a dentist and I became a dentist because he was a dentist. And then I started working with him, his dental assistant in 2000, in 2009 and became a dentist. And I worked with him for 10 years. He retired in 2017. And he still comes, he still fixes up the office, the bill. It's very rewarding to work with your parents. It just is. It's, there's nothing like it when you.
[00:08:32] Speaker B: Have the luxury, the luck to just get along with your family, your dad or your mom or both. It's wonderful to just grow together.
They don't grow because they are getting older, but we grow together. And working with me, you know, you had the, he had his one man shows for as long as the Dublephone was created. So 37 years. And after a while he wanted to find someone to fit, but he wanted to do a duo because he thought, and I think he's right, that we can do so many more, so much more things when you are two and not only one. And he has done several artists, tried some duos and finally he said, okay, I'm going to do a duo with you and I'm not going to do any more one man shows and I will only be on stage with you.
Wow, that's pretty cool.
[00:09:28] Speaker A: Did that. Did you find. Because I. I found for me, working with my father helped me become better, faster. Because you're such a. So did you find that that like accelerated your. Your training and your learning?
[00:09:41] Speaker B: Yeah, it exhilarates. And also it was harder because I don't know in your field, but in mine at least, you know, people were expecting me more, they were expecting me more of me because I was the daughter of Dominique, who is really well known in the craft of magic.
So it was harder for me, but it was, you know, I'm a pretty positive person and I prefer to see that as a good thing as compared to a bad thing. So I worked more than the others to just reach a certain I don't know what but level.
Just not to disappoint or to be.
To be as good as what people were thinking. And I don't know what they were thinking but you see.
[00:10:32] Speaker A: But also doesn't. So you guys also have the world's oldest magic store, magic shop. So I guess. And. And did you find yourself working there a lot or doing a lot of behind the counter stuff?
[00:10:46] Speaker B: That's how I, I did my studies in a way. I went to this shop. I'm looking for you. The picture of the shop. Yes, it's right here.
[00:10:55] Speaker A: I love that.
[00:10:56] Speaker B: Mayet Maji.
It's right here at the corner of two streets and it is the oldest magic shop in the world. 1808.
[00:11:07] Speaker A: What were they? What? Magic. What magic were they selling in 1808?
[00:11:11] Speaker B: I know first they were starting by, you know, a partition of songs because everybody was singing in the streets. So they were doing that and after jokes, you know, jokes, you know when you say take a gum and it's electrified.
[00:11:26] Speaker A: Oh cool. Okay. Yeah.
Pranks.
[00:11:29] Speaker B: Pranks. Okay, great. Pranks and some magic tricks. Just a few. And then it was the contrary, the reverse and so on. So yeah. And my dad, when he was eight years old, he was going into that shop in my shop to Buy his own first tricks. So, you know, it's a circle. Circle. It's. It's a great story.
The expertise of my dad was unique and so precious because he made all his career. So he had all these videos, you know, on my time. It's vhs. It was very rare. It was on the ground.
Yeah, because you didn't have YouTube. You don't have the Internet or all access to everything you have. Now it's really easy to just learn magic, to see magic and try to do your own thing. But at the time, you have to be introduced. So it was the best way because my dad was. Was known worldwide. He has friends very well known, like, you know, Eugene Berger, Max Maven, all the greatest artists. So he showed me all those artists and it really fed me. So, yeah, it's precious. And he was helping me. When he saw that I was hooked on magic, he helped me and we worked together separately and after as a duo.
[00:12:44] Speaker A: Wow. I definitely are going to get to la. Double font.
But I wanted to talk a little bit about. You were in one of my favorite movies. It's a cult classic, Brotherhood of the Wolf. For. You were the hand double for Monica Bellucci.
[00:13:00] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Okay.
[00:13:02] Speaker A: Okay. You gotta tell me about that.
I love that movie so much.
[00:13:07] Speaker B: Really?
[00:13:08] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:13:09] Speaker B: It's a very old movie now. But you know what? It was easy because I met Christopher Gance, the founder director Christopher Gance.
And he told me I need someone who just.
Who is in front of her. I don't know how you say that when you know where the lady. She has a table where she puts makeups and how do you call that? There is a little desk for ladies. I don't know.
[00:13:32] Speaker A: Yes, vanity.
It's called a vanity.
[00:13:36] Speaker B: A vanity. Thank you. So she's in front of a vanity and she is taking tarot cards and turn them like these. And I need someone who has nice gestures. I was thinking that a lady in magic could be. Can fit this purpose. I said sure.
And I add some magic just, you know, for the beginners. I don't know if you know that, but a double lift, which is one of the basic techniques. Light of hand in card magic.
[00:14:01] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:14:02] Speaker B: And it was cool because, you know, it was. It. It was fitting the purpose because she's a witch, kind of. So it was good that the car changes in front of the vanity thing and after I turn some pages because he wanted to do that in a very not sexy way, but in a very. I don't know what way. So I've done that and I never met Monica Bellucci. I only. I am a stun double for the hands. Only the hands. Sorry. But that's fine.
[00:14:30] Speaker A: Oh, man.
[00:14:31] Speaker B: So it's an experience. That's why I love magic so much. It's one of the reason is that you can do so many different things.
[00:14:38] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:14:39] Speaker B: Related to magic.
[00:14:41] Speaker A: That's. That's wild. Okay.
It really is.
Yeah. I just. That that movie was so good for some reason and that it just. Such a good movie.
It. What? Okay, now we're going to switch to another thing.
What was it like to win the Mandrake Door?
[00:15:00] Speaker B: It's not the door. Dior.
[00:15:01] Speaker A: Yeah. Could you, could you pronounce it for me? So I love to get things pronounced correctly.
[00:15:06] Speaker B: Sure. So J'.
[00:15:07] Speaker A: Adore.
[00:15:07] Speaker B: Dior is. Dior is the fashion brand, but the Mond Do.
The golden Mond.
[00:15:15] Speaker A: Okay.
Okay. So.
Okay. It's like a little Oscar. Like the. With the top hat and the cape.
[00:15:24] Speaker B: Voila. It's a bit copied on the.
[00:15:26] Speaker A: I love that, though.
[00:15:27] Speaker B: Exactly. But, yeah, that's it. So, yeah, he's a Mandra. He's a fiction character. He's a magician. So it was in a way ringing a bell to have kind of the Oscar Mandrak door. And it was, you know, that's a great feeling. It's a while ago now because it was in the 2001, I assume, and we earn it, my dad and I, as a duo. So it was, you know, great.
[00:15:53] Speaker A: So cool.
[00:15:54] Speaker B: Great recognition for our work.
[00:15:58] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, you're, you're, you're blazing all sorts of trails. You're also the first French woman to fool Penn and Teller. I.
That was great.
[00:16:06] Speaker B: Ah, thank you.
[00:16:07] Speaker A: That was great.
[00:16:08] Speaker B: And that was an experience.
I was so stressed for that, you know.
[00:16:12] Speaker A: Yeah. And that was one of the. That was one of the.
That was a. That was a little bit ago.
[00:16:19] Speaker B: 2018. 2018.
[00:16:23] Speaker A: Okay. So it wasn't that long. To me, everything's blending together so quickly. That was, it's, that was a great trick. And that is actually isn't that trick. That's a commercial trick now. If you wanted to learn that trick, you could, you could buy it. So. So a little bag, which I, I love it got me. I, I thought it was great.
[00:16:42] Speaker B: So, you know, thank you very much. It's my dad's trick that he has invented that 40 years ago and he has fooled a lot of professional with that principle because it's a brand new principle. And again, it's not a trick, it's a principle.
So that's why it fooled Penn Teller because it's brand new. You know, the basic principle. But it was a double principle. I can't say much.
[00:17:08] Speaker A: No, we, we don't, we, we don't expose tricks on this show because if people want it, they should, they should do what I do and I buy it.
[00:17:16] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:17:17] Speaker A: Cars and bags, cards and bags. So if you're looking for cards and bags, it is good. It's a fooler. I, I, I, I, I'm going to look into it.
But do you, other than that, do you have any other favorite tricks? I remember you said something about wild card. I, I watched a, a little bit of a documentary you were in.
[00:17:37] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:39] Speaker A: And that was, you can also see on your YouTube page the part where you're in and that, that trick is fantastic too.
[00:17:45] Speaker B: Yeah. It's a movie with Sean Farquhar made with John Arnoy. John Arnois, I don't know how you pronounce it. And it's a beautiful movie about magic, but it's not about magic tricks.
Some, some of the greatest people. And I am so still surprised today to be part of that movie. You know, it's unbelievable.
[00:18:08] Speaker A: Don't have imposter syndrome. You belong, you belong there with them.
[00:18:11] Speaker B: No, no. That's amazing. So Juan Tamaris is over there, Michael Vincent, I mean, I want with Sean Farquhar, with Richard Turner. It's mind blowing. And those people are talking about magic, about their view about magic and their favorite trick. And yes, one of my favorite trick is the white card because it allows you so many possibilities. But you know, that's the great thing about card magic is that it's really endless. But I love cards. But I love, you know, gypsy thread. I love rope magic. But yeah, sure, as a, you know, a daughter of a cardition, I love, I'm addicted to cards. Yeah, you're right.
[00:18:53] Speaker A: Yeah. You've probably gone through a few decks in your, in your day.
[00:18:57] Speaker B: I have some. Yeah, sure. But the ambitious card plot is, you know, it's, if you have some beginners listening to us, it's great because, you know, you can do, with just a few techniques, you can do amazing effects. But the thing is that you need to work to practice. And if you think that even if you buy in a magic shop, that's the good thing about magic shop, you can buy very easy tricks. But even the easiest trick, you need to work, practice to think about the script you're going to tell. Because you know, what is more boring than a card trick than another card trick? I love card tricks. But when a magician come to me and just show me a trick, a puzzle, this is not magic for me. I want to dream. I want to be engaged in a story, because that's what we need as human beings. You are telling your story, I am telling you mine. When you go to the theater, you see stories with actors. When you go to see a theater, a play, you go and see a story.
When you go and see a stand up comedian, again, you have some stories. So we need stories. And magicians are not excused because they are doing magic, not to tell any stories. Or we have, we must tell something and bring the spectator in our voyage, in our trip, in our mind, the set.
That's a must.
[00:20:27] Speaker A: Wow, that's absolutely, that's brilliant. I couldn't have said it better myself.
[00:20:33] Speaker B: No, but that's not brilliant. I think it's, it's math, kind of math. Because if you want to make people dream, if you want to bring them in your world, in your universe, in your way of thinking, you have to, to give.
Because if you are, if you want to receive anything, smile, applause, sharing, you have to share your feelings with them. So sharing your feeling with them, the best way to do it is to just tell a story.
Any story can be true, can be fake or based on a true thing. You're not obliged to say 100% true and yeah, genuine thing, but you need to tell something interesting that can appeal to them. That's why I speak so much in my shows about childhood, because we were once children, but we have forgotten that.
And that's great with magic, is that you can bring that little sparkle in the back of the brain or in the eye and say, oh yeah, I used to have fun doing these or doing that. You know, I have, I have such a bunch, you know, I'm working on.
For instance, how do you call this when you were at school? I mean, when I was at school I was doing that small size. But let me show you, you know this.
[00:22:00] Speaker A: Oh yeah. What? I forgot what those are called. But we did them all the time.
[00:22:03] Speaker B: Yeah, but there is a name and that's, you know, if as soon as I show you that, it will bring you back some memories.
And we're here also for that as magician, because we are kind of medicine artists. We have to make them forget how difficult the word ill is, especially now. But it has always been like that. So we have a task, we have a responsibility. I think that we have to make them dream, tell stories, be sincere.
I have so many magicians I can see so many magicians, they just learn, you know, they learn their script. You know, I am in the middle of a new show, so I have pages of things, I'm learning my script. But if you're not sincere in what you are saying, in what you are sharing, go to target and sell, be behind a cashier and just do nothing. Because we have, we are human beings, we need to have true feelings.
You know, that's why move me so much when I go to see Meryl Streep, Robert De Niro, Brad Pitt or Josh Clooney. Even in the most craziest movie. They are sincere, they have worked their craft.
[00:23:28] Speaker A: Yeah, that does bring me up to what I thought.
A really great thing that you've said is you've said that the most important thing to a magician, that a magician can be, is curious. And can you elaborate a little bit on that? Oh, well, I love that.
[00:23:45] Speaker B: Sure. Thank you. But I think it's the basic quality you should have in life, not in magic, in life. Because if you're not curious, why would you read another book?
Why would you meet new person?
Why you have to be curious in life in general. It will bring you food to just be able to share with others.
What is better than a good meal? Share with friends, one glass of wine, not too many because it's not good for health, but a glass of wine, a good meal and just sharing a moment of sincerity, of just chatting. That's great.
And that's what we want when we go to see a show. When you go and see a musical you want, you rarely, you can go alone, but you rarely go alone. You want to share that moment with someone close to you. A friend, a sibling or family member, whoever.
So way being curious is if you are self centered only with what you love, you will like your flower. You will just fade away because you can't.
I have a hard time with my English because I know you're doing great. Oh, thank you.
[00:25:10] Speaker A: But you know, you know more English words than a lot of people I know. So don't worry about that.
[00:25:16] Speaker B: Thank you. You know, it's like putting water in a flower. For me, curiosity is that it's life because you have to open to, you know, that's the great thing about Instagram. For instance, it's great because you can scroll. Never ending the bad. Of course the drawback of it is that you're going, you're becoming, you know, just impersonal. You don't see anything. But there are so many great things you are Sharing things. Very interesting. So it has to be done in very small doses because otherwise you get just a zombie. A zombie. But yeah, but yeah, being curious is the basic thing for a magician. Of course. Because how are you going to tell stories if you don't know anything about literature, paintings, museums?
I don't know, I'm looking, you know, your children, you can talk about your children.
You know, it's never ending. You can talk about anything and put it. Putting in. Into words with a magic trick. So that's the strength about magic, is that not only we can tell stories like in theaters, but also we can have like in movies, we can do some special effects, but real life, live.
So that's. Wow. That's why, you know, AI won't hurt us at all because we will still always. We will need some live interaction.
So that's great being a magician or an artist in general because we can just make movies, but in real.
Wow.
[00:26:51] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:26:51] Speaker B: That's powerful.
[00:26:53] Speaker A: Yeah, that is amazing. I do want to talk a little about Le Double Feng. It is the oldest magic cafe theater in France.
[00:26:59] Speaker B: It has opened in 1988. We were. Yeah, we were. My dad was, you know, when magic close up, magic was not fashionable. He believed again so much in his craft that he said, okay, there is none. Let's open one. But his bank, you know, the bank guy behind his counter said, no, I can't give you money because, you know, it doesn't exist. And I said. And he said, but that's why I should do it, because it doesn't exist.
Yeah, I show him a magic trick and then he lend him some money to buy the double phone. But, you know, that's so weird because this is exactly why you should have one because there were none at the time.
[00:27:40] Speaker A: But, you know, and so.
And you. And from there you use that to also make videos that you sell. And you also have a website.
Correct. That you do that. You do magic training.
[00:27:57] Speaker B: Yeah, we have a platform. It's a double font TV.
[00:28:01] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:28:02] Speaker B: And we have more than 3,000 videos. We have more than 50 artists, French, American, Argentine, from all over the world. And it's a memory of magic kind of because we have some archives and it's the continuity of the school we have. So, yeah, the platform is really important. And my dad is putting hundreds of tricks over there because it's very important to have this memory and that actually.
[00:28:30] Speaker A: That'S actually why I'm doing a podcast. I want to time capsule, what is magic like now? Because who knows, in 30 years it may Be completely different. And I just want to know what is it like and if any. So that is. It's brilliant that you're putting that on, on tape for people to be able to subscribe to.
[00:28:50] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:28:50] Speaker A: And use. And it's. That's fantastic.
[00:28:52] Speaker B: Exactly. And that's important to have close up magic kids. Magic.
Balloon. How do you say balloon?
[00:28:59] Speaker A: Balloon twisting.
[00:29:00] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't remember.
Yeah, yeah. We have coins, we have rope. So we have so many different artists over there. And it's important because you can't have everything, of course, obviously. But it's a beginning at least.
[00:29:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
What do you think the future of magic looks like, especially for women in the art of magic?
[00:29:23] Speaker B: Like, you know, we have chatted earlier. I think it will grow and grow and grow. For we are talking right now, as we are talking fism. The convention I was talking to you earlier is held in Italy, in Torino right now. And there were two women on stage, Callista and Lea Kyle, Leah Kyle.
Both of them had a standing ovation. The more we will see women on stage, the more we will have women on stage. But the thing is that people, and people like Benjamin Barnes, who has held the IBM convention twice, is putting more women available in full sight, in full light, because there are women in magic. But the thing is that nobody books them. So how can you know, how can you see, how can you inspire if you don't book any women? So I'm just talking to the bookers, to the guys who held festivals, who held events, book more women. Because it's a virtual circle that it would be.
It's again, it's math. The more we'll see ladies on stage, the more we'll inspire small girls, little girls. And when at the double phone when they come to see me and they say, wow, you are the first lady in magic I see, I am so happy because maybe a little seed is planted and maybe it will make something a flower of magic. So.
[00:30:51] Speaker A: Yeah, and that will be the next. The next person that invents the best trick or the next big thing. I mean, and that's how it works.
[00:31:00] Speaker B: Yeah. But, you know, magic, like dance, like music, like art, painting, writing, literature and so on will never end because we need that. It's a basic human being need.
So that's. That's great.
So the more we will be, the more it will be flourishing and interesting because we can do the same trick, both of us, but we will do another interpretation. We won't tell the same thing with the same trick. So there is room for Everybody, especially women. And that's what we need.
So. Yeah. And Callista with her act. I've coached her for the. For the act, and she has done a standing ovation. She's talking about the life of a woman from a old lady going back to young, married, having children, and going back to the old days. It's beautiful.
[00:31:56] Speaker A: Thank you so much for speaking with me. I like, I really appreciate it. It means so much, really.
[00:32:04] Speaker B: But I'm happy to speak to you. I'm always happy when, you know, people wants to talk about this beautiful art of magic and when we are, in a way sharing the same passion. Because, you know, okay, you can be passionated with dentistry, I can be passionate with magic. But what's the pro for what? There is no problem. We. The common thing we have is passion.
And we are very lucky because you have so many people who are gray in their mind, you know, gray like not happy, not having a passion, don't know what to do with their lives.
We are very lucky to share that. So, yeah, we have different path, but we are still connecting in a way.
[00:32:49] Speaker A: This is the. This is the gateway drug of magic.
[00:32:53] Speaker B: Perfect for me, because, you know, I think that we should, all of us, I mean, magician, we should be beginners because when we start thinking that we are professionals, that is where we begin to suck. Because we think that we have the cure for cancer and that we are above everybody. But this is not the case. Come on. We are just magicians.
[00:33:14] Speaker A: I mean, we can all learn tricks, but like, learning why and, you know, philosophies and talking, it's just great. So.
[00:33:22] Speaker B: Yeah, and it is not taught, unfortunately, but it is as important. My dad has a great way of thinking about this, is that when you begin magic, it's 90% of technique and 10% of script. Because you just say what you are you sure, you just describe what you're showing. But it's becoming after 90% of interpretation, script, expression, yourself and 10% technique. Because the technique, after a while, you're mastering it. It's the same thing over and over again. You just have to work in a way. But what is your character? What do you want to say?
What do you want to share with the audience? That's very difficult to just aim it.
[00:34:10] Speaker A: Absolutely.
Well. Alexandre Duvivier, I really appreciate you coming and talking with us today.
We can not only can we see you perform at Le Double Fond, are you still perform quite a bit?
[00:34:25] Speaker B: Well, every week.
[00:34:26] Speaker A: Every. Every week and many times.
[00:34:28] Speaker B: Many nights a week. Sure. At the Double Font and I would be in Chicago. If everything is fine. I would be in Chicago. Go in the Rhapsody Theater.
You know, this beautiful theater. Pretty recent now, but has a lot of many great artists are working there. Like David Williamson, Rob Zabirsky, Carissa Hendricks, Lucy Darling. I mean, many artists are working over there. So I will be there in February, March.
[00:34:55] Speaker A: Oh, amazing.
[00:34:57] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:34:57] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:34:58] Speaker B: We can meet in person.
[00:34:59] Speaker A: Yeah, I've been planning to go to. I have relatives in. In Chicago, so I've been meaning to go out there and.
[00:35:05] Speaker B: Perfect.
[00:35:06] Speaker A: Ben Bar. Meet Ben Barnes in person and go. And then. Yeah, I definitely need to go to the Rhapsody as well. So.
[00:35:12] Speaker B: Yeah, the Magic Lounge is amazing. It's a beautiful place.
Beautiful.
[00:35:17] Speaker A: So I can't wait.
[00:35:18] Speaker B: And.
[00:35:18] Speaker A: And some. Someday I will be. I will perform there too. That's that. I give you my word on that one.
[00:35:23] Speaker B: That's a goal. That's a great goal. That's nice. That's good to have goals.
[00:35:28] Speaker A: Absolutely. Again, thank you so much.
[00:35:31] Speaker B: Much. It's a pleasure, really. It's a pleasure being with all of you. With you especially. Thank you very much.
[00:35:37] Speaker A: Is all mine. Thank you and have a wonderful day.
